Legislature(2007 - 2008)

02/07/2007 03:42 PM House W&M


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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
           HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS                                                                          
                        February 7, 2007                                                                                        
                           3:42 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Hawker, Chair                                                                                               
Representative Anna Fairclough, Vice Chair                                                                                      
Representative Bob Roses                                                                                                        
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Peggy Wilson                                                                                                     
Representative Max Gruenberg                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Sharon Cissna                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION BY THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT & BUDGET                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JOHN BOUCHER, Senior Economist                                                                                                  
Office of Management & Budget (OMB)                                                                                             
Office of the Governor                                                                                                          
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Presented an overview of state revenue and                                                                 
budget projections.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DAVID TEAL, Legislative Fiscal Analyst                                                                                          
Legislative Finance Division                                                                                                    
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT:  Explained certain revenue terms.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR MIKE HAWKER called the  House Special Committee on Ways and                                                             
Means to order at 3:42:08 PM.   Present at the call to order were                                                             
Representatives  Hawker,  Seaton, Fairclough,  Roses,  Gruenberg,                                                               
and Wilson.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:43:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION BY THE OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT & BUDGET                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER announced  that the only order of  business would be                                                               
a presentation by a representative  from the Office of Management                                                               
& Budget (OMB)                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER reminded the committee  that a prior presentation by                                                               
the Legislative  Finance Division  showed a potential  budget gap                                                               
in the  very foreseeable future of  in excess of $1  billion.  He                                                               
opined  that a  proactive approach  to the  fiscal gap  is better                                                               
than  a reactive  one.   Chair Hawker  asked the  OMB to  present                                                               
possible budget  and revenue scenarios  which cover at  least the                                                               
next eight years.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:49:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[The committee spent  a few moments being  introduced to visiting                                                               
youth in the audience.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:57:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  BOUCHER, Senior  Economist, Office  of Management  & Budget                                                               
(OMB), Office  of the Governor,  referred to a chart  titled, "FY                                                               
08  Revenue  by  Source  and   Category"  which  was  part  of  a                                                               
PowerPoint presentation  provided to  the committee.   This chart                                                               
shows that of  the nearly $11 billion in  state revenue projected                                                               
for fiscal  year 2008 (FY 08),  64 percent, or $7  billion, is in                                                               
restricted sources, which include:   $3 billion of federal funds;                                                               
$2.9  billion  in  investment   revenue  (mostly  permanent  fund                                                               
income, and $1.1 billion in  other restricted funds.  The largest                                                               
amount of this "other" category  is about $448 million in royalty                                                               
oil  income, he  said.   Unrestricted revenues  make up  about 36                                                               
percent, or $3.9 billion, of the state's projected FY 08 budget.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  noted that  some permanent  fund revenues,                                                               
such  as  those   in  the  earnings  reserve   account,  are  not                                                               
restricted funds but are available  to spend without statutory or                                                               
constitutional restriction.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER agreed  that although  spending  the permanent  fund                                                               
earnings referred to by Representative  Seaton is not statutorily                                                               
restricted, most  would agree the  State behaves as if  there are                                                               
spending restrictions placed  on those earnings.   He agreed with                                                               
an  observation by  Representative Wilson  that the  principal of                                                               
the  permanent  fund  is  protected, but  the  earnings  and  the                                                               
interest  are not,  although some  of the  earnings are  used for                                                               
inflation-proofing the fund's principal.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER  testified  that  when  individuals  state  that  86                                                               
percent of the  state's revenue comes from oil  production, it is                                                               
important  to  know  that  they   are  expressing  the  projected                                                               
unrestricted oil revenue for that  fiscal year as a percentage of                                                               
unrestricted  revenue  -  not  revenue  as a  whole.    When  you                                                               
consider state  revenue as  a whole,  oil accounts  for somewhere                                                               
near 48  percent of all  state revenue; this amount  decreases to                                                               
35 percent if projected federal revenues are included, he said.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER  agreed  with   Chair  Hawker's  clarification  that                                                               
federal revenues include money that  can only be spent on certain                                                               
programs, such as Medicaid.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:04:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  TEAL,  Legislative  Fiscal  Analyst,  Legislative  Finance                                                               
Division,  Alaska  State  Legislature,   referred  to  the  chart                                                               
titled,  "FY 08  Revenue by  Source  and Category"  to clarify  a                                                               
prior  point.   He noted  it might  be easier  to understand  the                                                               
issue  of restricted  versus unrestricted  funds by  categorizing                                                               
the  unrestricted portion  as "unrestricted  general fund."   The                                                               
key is  that federal  revenue is  not part  of the  general fund,                                                               
because it  has restrictions on its  use.  Federal funds  are not                                                               
general funds, he reminded the  committee.  Similarly, investment                                                               
revenue  is mostly  permanent fund  earnings,  and the  permanent                                                               
fund is not part of the general fund.   It is not that there is a                                                               
restriction on using  permanent fund earnings, said  Mr. Teal, it                                                               
simply  that   these  funds  do   not  meet  the   definition  of                                                               
unrestricted general funds.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER referred  to the chart titled,  "General Fund Revenue                                                               
versus Appropriations"  and stated  that the predictions  on this                                                               
chart  assume the  price of  oil will  be around  $45 to  $50 per                                                               
barrel  through  2013, and  then  will  stay between  $40-45  per                                                               
barrel through  2015.  The  FY 08 proposed  budget is based  on a                                                               
projected oil price  of $51.25 per barrel.  Production  for FY 08                                                               
is forecast  to average  782,000 barrels a  day, and  stay within                                                               
about 5  percent of  that number until  2015, when  production is                                                               
predicted to fall off to about 737,000 barrels a day, he said.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:08:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG   asked  whether  the   oil  production                                                               
projections  include consideration  of  the  effects of  possible                                                               
pipeline downtime, accidents, or  deterioration of oil production                                                               
facilities.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER  stated that  he believes  the Department  of Revenue                                                               
(DOR)  has made  allowances  in its  fall  2006 "Revenue  Sources                                                               
Book"  to  account  for  any  effects  increased  oil  production                                                               
facility  maintenance  requirements  will   have  on  future  oil                                                               
production and transportation.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER  pointed out that  the chart titled,  "ANS Production                                                               
Forecast  by  Category  to FY  17"  illustrates  uncertainty  for                                                               
projects that  are not actually  under development at  this time.                                                               
The  certainty  that  a  new   oil  development  will  come  into                                                               
production goes down for projects  that are still being evaluated                                                               
by the producer, he reminded the committee.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER then  referred to a pie chart  titled, "Components of                                                               
'Other'  Revenue FY  08,"  which details  the  components of  the                                                               
revenues shown on the chart titled,  "FY 08 Revenue by Source and                                                               
Category."  This pie chart  shows that corporate income taxes are                                                               
predicted  to account  for almost  three-fourths  of the  state's                                                               
unrestricted general fund, or $345 million, in FY 08.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:12:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER  asked which of  these components of  "other" income                                                               
could  be  increased  to  help   make  up  for  less  future  oil                                                               
production revenue.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER replied  that  some of  these  areas could  increase                                                               
incrementally, but it  would be difficult to get  $1 billion more                                                               
in state revenue from any of these other categories.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:14:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BOUCHER explained  the chart  titled,  "The Revenue  'Gully'                                                               
Between Today and  a Gasline," shows a  possible revenue scenario                                                               
that he prepared using data  from the DOR's "Interim Findings and                                                               
Determination"  dated  11/16/2006  and  its  fall  2006  "Revenue                                                               
Sources Book."   This scenario, which goes until  FY 20, predicts                                                               
the effect of a gas pipeline  on state revenues using the assumed                                                               
price for  gas of  $5.50 per million  British Thermal  Unit (BTU)                                                               
delivered to the  Chicago market.  If one assumes  revenue from a                                                               
gas pipeline is  at least 10 years out, this  predication shows a                                                               
"revenue  gully"  between  today  and the  completion  of  a  gas                                                               
pipeline,  he explained.   This  gully is  potentially manageable                                                               
with draws from the Constitutional  Budget Reserve Fund (CBR), if                                                               
the  state is  able to  maintain a  flat state  spending scenario                                                               
until  the gas  pipeline begins.   However,  if the  gas pipeline                                                               
comes  on line  later, or  if  spending is  higher than  planned,                                                               
there  may be  a gap  between  revenue and  spending, warned  Mr.                                                               
Boucher.   This gap  could be  paid with draws  from the  CBR, he                                                               
said, reminding  the committee that some  projections predict the                                                               
CBR can last until 2020,  while other projections predict the CBR                                                               
will run out of money earlier than that.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:19:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HAWKER noted that in  view of other revenue projections, it                                                               
may be difficult to keep state spending flat.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER agreed with  Representative Seaton's observation that                                                               
the  Legislative Finance  Division's  scenario  assumes a  higher                                                               
operating  budget than  is assumed  by OMB.   This  difference in                                                               
spending projections  explains the  different budget  lines shown                                                               
on the chart  titled, "Two Spending Scenarios -  With Assumed Gas                                                               
Revenue."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:20:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE WILSON  observed that the reality  of flat funding                                                               
means  that  certain cost  increases  are  not being  met,  which                                                               
results in actual cuts to services.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER  agreed that holding  to flat spending in  the future                                                               
would mean a  significant change in state spending  patterns.  He                                                               
went on to  say that projected permanent fund income  is shown on                                                               
the  chart titled,  "Permanent Fund  Statutory Net  Income versus                                                               
General Fund Petroleum  Revenue 1976-2017."  The  income from the                                                               
permanent fund may someday exceed  revenue from petroleum revenue                                                               
sources.    If  growth  from   the  permanent  fund  proceeds  as                                                               
predicted,  permanent  fund earnings  will  give  the state  some                                                               
spending  options that  other  states are  envious  of, said  Mr.                                                               
Boucher.   He  reminded the  committee that  the legislature  has                                                               
played a large part in funding our various savings accounts.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER  stated that this  administration is taking  steps to                                                               
examine  state spending,  a  difficult  but potentially  valuable                                                               
task.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:27:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  asked  whether   the  chart  titled  "Two                                                               
Spending  Scenarios   -  With  Assumed  Gas   Revenue,"  includes                                                               
permanent fund appropriations and expenditures.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. BOUCHER responded that it does not.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special Committee on Ways and Means adjourned at 4:29:54 PM.                                                                  

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